Battle of Tablets Apple iPad Pro vs Microsoft Surface Pro 4 vs Google Pixel C

Every big company seems to be betting on the huge tablet/laptop convertible for the future of personal computing. Whether we look at the newest offering from Apple, Microsoft or Google, what we see is a big tablet, by big I mean bigger than the 10-inch standard ‘large’ tablet size, with a keyboard accessory that can be bought separately. Now it’s a tablet, now it’s not! The magic trick is getting a bit old now but only now have the devices reached the kind of polish that can make consumers ditch their real laptop notebooks and buy a hybrid one.
Before we begin, one thing I don’t understand here is that if you are pitching a device as a laptop/tablet hybrid then at least ship the keyboard in the package; instead we get an ‘optional’ keyboard accessory at a price of around 150 bucks. So very uncool!! With that out of the way let us compare the ‘surfaces’ from the biggest tech companies and find out which one is the best buy.

1. Apple iPad Pro:


* 12.9″ Retina Display (2732×2048 resolution ~ 264ppi)
* Apple A9X processor
* 8 MP iSight camera at the back
* 1.2 MP FaceTime/Selfie camera
* Touch ID fingerprint technology
* iOS 9.1
* 9-10 hour battery life
* ~ 710 gm
* $169 Keyboard accessory
* $99 Apple Pencil
* $799 for 32GB model
* $949 for 128GB model

2. Microsoft Surface Pro 4:


* 12.3″ PixelSense Display (2736×1824 resolution ~ 267 ppi)
* Intel Core m3, i5, i7
* 8 MP at the back
* 5 MP on the front
* Fingerprint ID built into keyboard accessory
* Windows 10
* 9-hour battery life
* ~780 grams
* $129 for keyboard accessory ($149 for the one with fingerprint reader)
* Surface Pen included in package
* $899 Core M3, 128 GB SSD, 4GB RAM
* $999 Core i5, 128 GB SSD, 4 GB RAM
* $1599 Core i7, 128 GB SSD, 4 GB RAM

3. Google Pixel C:


* 10.2″ Display(2560×1800 resolution ~ 308ppi)
* Nvidia Tegra X1
* No Info on Cameras or fingerprint reader
* Android 6.0 Marshmallow
* 10-hour battery life
* $149 for keyboard accessory
* $499 for 32 GB
* $599 for 64 GB

The devices we have here for comparison are vastly different from each other, probably the only thing common between them is the touchscreen is big and high resolution and all are wannabe laptops.

Google’s Pixel C has me least convinced to replace my laptop with it. Android is not yet ready to provide the level of functionality a user desires from a laptop. The keyboard technology that Google has built for it is commendable, but most users would like to use a 10″ tablet as a tablet rather than a laptop. Even with Marshmallow the operating system is not for the laptop format. Also, the hardware is nearly not as powerful as one would like to have on a laptop to get some decent productivity. It is cheaper than the rest but considering that it is more of a tablet and less of a laptop, shelling out $750 for a tablet is not advisable.

iPad Pro and Surface Pro 4 are worthy competitors. Even though it is Apple’s first attempt in the convertible market, they learned from the mistakes of their enemies and have built a great device. On the other hand, Surface Pro 4 has seen iterative development over the years and is now at the peak of its growth. Windows phone is no match for iOS but to compete with full Windows 10, Apple knew it had to pull many bunnies out of its hat. Hence, iOS 9. The newest iOS has adapted (read copied windows features) to the needs of the laptop environment by providing multiple apps on screen and app in app functionality. Also, the performance of the new A9X chip is ‘desktop class’ according to Apple which they proved by editing four streams of 4k videos simultaneously on the new iPad.

Surface Pro 4 is the laptop/tablet hybrid Microsoft had dreamed when it launched the first surface. The keyboard is fantastic, the pen is much better, the OS is a pleasure to use on a touch screen, everything is smooth and slick. It is pretty much the perfect windows device for on the go needs. Be sure to buy the i5 version at least to get decent performance. This will set you back for $1150 because of course you will have to buy the keyboard separately. In comparison, iPad Pro 128 GB model with keyboard and pencil will cost the same. On another note, Microsoft was onstage at the iPad Pro unveiling to say how good the tablet is for using its Office Suite. So if you mostly use Microsoft Office you can’t go wrong either way. Also, I am not comparing the main snappers because if the camera on a > 12″ tablet affects your buying decision then I cannot help you.

The Verdict:

So, in the end it all boils down to a clash between Windows desktop vs iOS and I am giving this one to Windows. If any device replaces my laptop it should be able to do everything I did on my laptop exactly the same. This is the most important thing when looking for a replacement, you want the other thing to work the same that your original device did. If I get additional touch screen goodness with it then it is a plus. On the other hand if I get a whole bunch of touch screen goodness and then have to compromise on my laptop productivity; Sorry I am not interested. I will just buy a tablet instead. iOS could be the ‘most advanced’ mobile operating system but on a notebook I would like a desktop operating system. Had there been OS X when you needed a laptop and iOS in touchscreen mode, Apple would have taken the crown. Perhaps, sometime in the future.

Best Tablet Android Smartphones 2016

Phablet smartphones have taken off in recent years, and the idea of owing a bigger smartphone is only expected to increase in upcoming years. As we reflect on where the Phablet came from, it started in a time when most consumers looked the other way. Four years ago Samsung introduced us to the Galaxy Note Phablet which has truly changed the way we think of larger, and more practical smartphones.

With the changing times and people becoming more reliant on mobile devices, the popularity has increased significantly in Phablet sized smartphones. The once solo Galaxy Note series has since been replicated by other manufacturers such as Apple, LG, Sony, and others.

With the upcoming releases many manufacturers have jumped on-board which leads us into previewing the Top 3 Phablet Android Smartphones 2016.

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3. Sony Xperia Z5 Ultra

The Sony Xperia Z5 Ultra is rumored to be released along the Xperia Z5, but will be a bigger, premium version of the Z5. Rumored to feature a robust 6.1” display, the Z5 Ultra will be the largest on this list of upcoming Phablets for 2016.

The Z5 Ultra will sport many of the similar specs of its smaller counterpart including a 4K QHD display, 4200 mAh battery, octa-core processor, 24 MP rear camera, and a 6 MP front-facing camera. The Ultra will also include feature all of the standard health related sensors along with a fingerprint scanner and waterproof feature.

The Sony Xperia Z5 Ultra release date is expected to be the same day as the Z5 and smaller Z5 compact, which is expected to be during Q2 of 2016.

2. LG G Flex 3

The LG G Flex 3 will be an amazing follow-up to the curve appeal of the G Flex 2. Remaining consistent with the previous releases, LG will be introducing something even more amazing in the G Flex 3 concept. Rumored to feature a true foldable design that’s expected to compliment the larger, 5.8” display.

The LG G Flex 3 is expected to be slightly larger than the G Flex 2, and will sport a 4K display with a ppi of over 540. Beefing up the processing speed of the LG G Flex 2, the 3rd release is rumored to boast a 2.9 GHZ octa-core Qualcomm Snapdragon processor. Other elements including the battery, RAM, and camera specs will certainly see an upgrade as well.

1. Samsung Galaxy Note 6

Was there any doubt of which Phablet Android smartphone for 2016 would top this list? The Galaxy Note series is where the concept of the Phablet started, and instead of remaining stagnant over the years, they have continue to invent the idea of what a Phablet should be. Everything from the look, feel, speed, and all that is inside is expected to make the Samsung Galaxy Note 6 the best of the best.

Samsung has big plans for all of their Android smartphones 2016 as some of the best features may not be what’s specifically in the phone itself. Many Samsung peripherals are expected to be integrated into the Note 6 concept including the Gear VR headset and the new Gear smartwatch in 2016.

The Samsung Galaxy Note 6 is rumored to feature a 28 MP rear camera, 7 MP front camera, 5 GB RAM, 2.9 GHZ octa-core processor, 4K 6” screen. The Note 6 will feature a non-removable 4200 mAh battery, wireless charging, and a quick charging plus feature.

How Will the IOS iPhone 7 Match up with the Top 3 Phablet Android Smartphones for 2016

One either loves IOS or Android, but there is usually no in-between. You’re either an Apple lover for life or Android enthusiast, and it will be interesting to see how the upcoming iPhone 7 matches up with the top 3 Phablet Android Smartphones 2016.

All including the Sony Xperia Z5 Ultra, LG G Flex 3, and the Samsung Galaxy Note 6 will undeniably fare well against the iPhone 7 when it comes to specs and features. Those loyal to Android will probably seek one of the top 3 Android Phablets for 2016 above, and those loyal to Apple will likely go for the iPhone 7.

Apple Unveils the iPad Pro the Biggest Tablet Yet

During an event in San Francisco Wednesday, Apple announced the long-awaited iPad Pro. A whole new product category of sorts, CEO Tim Cook described the tablet as “the biggest news in iPad since the iPad” – and big it is.

Measuring in at 12.9 inches, the device has a 2,732 x 2,048 resolution screen and weighs 1.57 pounds, making it only slightly heavier than the 1-pound iPad Air 2. To give you a feel for its size, the width of the tablet (8.7 inches) is almost as much as the length of the iPad Air 2 (9.4 inches).


The iPad Pro comes packing a new A9X processor. It’s the third generation of Apple’s 64-bit chip, and Apple says its 1.8 times faster than the A8X chip currently used in the iPad Air 2. Geared toward professionals, the iPad Pro also allows for split-screen view and multi-tasking, which lets people use multiple apps at once.

With a device so large, you might consider using it as a laptop replacement, something that Apple is making a lot easier with a few new Apple-branded accessories.

Smart Keyboard
At first glance, you might be forgiven in thinking that Apple’s Smart keyboard is just its standard Smart Cover. The new keyboard attaches to the tablet similar to previous covers, but has a built-in soft keyboard. When attached, it looks a ton like Microsoft’s Surface tablet, and gives you the ability to type on the device similar to how you might with a laptop.

Apple Pencil
Apple finally has a stylus. Aptly named Apple Pencil, the stylus has a low latency rate, making it feel like you’re actually drawing on the tablet. Some other stylus options out there have a bit of a delay, which can make it difficult to draw on the tablet if you’re an artist trying to do precise work.

The stylus isn’t just for drawing, however. During the event, Apple invited a Microsoft exec on stage to show how the stylus could be used to work on documents, and showed how it could be used with apps created by Adobe.

The iPad Pro starts at $799 for 32GB Wi-Fi version. The 128GB Wi-Fi version is $949 and the 128GB Wi-Fi + cellular version is priced at $1079. The iPad Pro and all of its accessories will be available in November.

The Smart Keyboard and Pencil will be sold separately from the iPad Pro. The keyboard is priced at $169 while the Pencil will be priced at $99.

5 inch Gpd XD Game Tablet PC – US PLUG BLACK

The GPD XD is made by the company GamePad Digital, who have also made other Android gaming handhelds like the GPD G5A and GPD G7.


The design of the device clearly mimics that of Nintendo’s popular NDS and 3DS handhelds, with the exclusion of the iconic second touchscreen. The bottom face of the device houses a normal set of action buttons and a d-pad, along with a pair of analog sticks and two buttons next to the analogs. Speakers are located at the bottom of the front, and appear to be stereo speakers. There’s also a cluster of buttons in the center of the device, which should be easily mappable to any game that you would play.

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On the rear, there’s 2 standard sized shoulder buttons, along with a pair of smaller shoulder buttons as well. The ports on the rear compromise of a microSD card slot, a HDMI-out port, a microUSB port and a DC charging port. Upfront, there’s the display and some rather thin bezels.

GOO GearBest To Buy This Product: Presale Price : $159.00

Main Features:
CPU: RK3288
GPU: Mali-T764
Core: Quad core 600MHz
RAM + ROM: 2GB + 16GB offers ultrafast surfing online, video playing and 3D gaming experience enhanced with DDR3 memory which makes all applications faster. Whether it is needed for work, study or play this tablet will suit your needs and 16GB internal memory slot for all your apps and media.
Gravity sensing system: Can fluently and sensitively run various applications.
5 inch screen: 1280 x 720 IPS screen with full viewing angle delivers ultimate detail and lifelike color for a crystal-clear picture.
6000mAh battery: Can multimanage the current, power and the temperature and increase the performance dynamically.
Android 4.4 system: Latest system with more excellent interface, compatibility and running effect.
Support 2 operation ways: Touch screen + keys
Machine buttons are similar with PS4 one professional console/gamepad cross button layout, the operation is more accurate, more perfect, the full functional keys are according to human body engineering design, advanced key mapping function can let all android touch
Perfect NDS emulator lets you play NDS games smoothly.
Building in Kawaks; aFBA; MAME etc emulators allows you to play arcade games freely.
Multi points action games, giving you a perfect feeling experience.
Portable and light, perfect operation feel.


Basic information: Brand: GPD – Type: Game Tablet – OS System: Android 4.4

Storage:  RAM: 2GB  – ROM: 16GB

Camera type: No camera

General: Battery Capacity: 6000mAh – Battery / Run Time (up to): 6 hours video playing time – G-sensor: Supported  – Skype: Supported  – Youtube: Supported  – Speaker: Supported  – MIC: Supported

Languages: Languages: French, Spanish, Russian, German, Italian, English – Note: If you need any specific language other than English and you must leave us a message when you checkout

Package Contents:  Tablet PC: 1 – Charger: 1  – USB Cable: 1

Network: WiFi: 802.11b/g/n wireless internet – CPU Brand: Rockchip  – CPU : RK3288  – GPU: Mali-764  – Core: 600MHz, Quad Core

Display: Screen type: Capacitive  – Screen size: 5 inch  – IPS: Yes  – Screen resolution: 1280 x 720 (HD 720)

Connectivity: TF Card Slot: Yes, Yes  – Micro USB Slot: Yes, Yes  – 3.5mm Headphone Jack: Yes, Yes  – Mini HDMI: Yes

Media Formats: 3D Games: Supported

Additional Features: Additional Features: Browser, Java, Wi-Fi

Dimensions: Product size: 15.5 x 8.9 x 2.4 cm / 6.09 x 3.50 x 0.94 inches  – Package size: 24 x 14 x 7 cm / 9.43 x 5.50 x 2.75 inches  – Product weight: 0.300 kg  – Package weight: 0.750 kg

Product Notes:
1. Download your favorite apps through the Google Play Store or Market installed.
2. Note: This Android/Windows tablet is designed only to work with the current Android/Windows OS installed in it. Any alterations such as upgrades or flashing a newer version will void the warranty.
3. The stated ROM amount shows the maximum available ROM with nothing installed. However, the Android/Windows OS and pre-installed software from the manufacturer will occupy some of this ROM. The available ROM on the device will therefore be slightly less than the ROM listed.

Samsung Galaxy Note5 Review

As the fourth successor of the product that defined what a phablet should be, Samsung Galaxy Note5 is arguably the most radical release in the product family to date. The newcomer marks a noteworthy departure (no pun intended) from all of its predecessors in terms of both design and available hardware features.


Top notch specs are always to be expected from a Samsung Galaxy Note and the latest iteration surely delivers on this front. The Galaxy Note5 packs the most powerful chipset in the business, the fastest memory, and one of the best cameras around. The S Pen is here too – clickable and more productive than ever.

Brand new look and premium materials ensure that Samsung Galaxy Note feels as premium as its hardware requires. Take a look at the full list of key features the Note5 has to offer below.

Key features
– 5.7″ QHD (2560 x 1440 pixels) Super AMOLED display with 518ppi
– 64-bit Exynos 7420 chipset with 14nm architecture; octa-core CPU (quad 2.1GHz & quad 1.5GHz), Mali-T760MP8 GPU
4GB of LPDDR4 RAM; 32/64GB of UFS 2.0 flash memory
– Android 5.1.1 Lollipop with TouchWiz UX
– 16MP f/1.9 camera with OIS; Auto HDR; 4K video capture; IR white balance detection sensor, Pro mode and RAW shooting
– 5MP f/1.9 front-facing camera
– Cat. 9 LTE network support; WiFi 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac (2.4/5GHz); GPS, GLONASS and Beidou; Bluetooth 4.2; NFC; MST mobile payment support
– 3,000mAh non-removable battery; Qi (WPC) and PMA wireless charging support
– Fingerprint scanner
– Heart-rate monitor
– Redesigned clickable S-Pen
– Metal chassis; Corning Gorilla Glass 4 front and back
– Wired and wireless Quick Charging

Main disadvantages
– No microSD card slot; no 128GB built-in memory option
– The battery is not user-replaceable
– No IR port
– No enhanced resistance to liquids or dust
– No stereo speakers
– The body of the smartphone is quite slippery without a case
– Not available in key global markets (at least for the time being)

The combo of a beefy Exynos 7420 chipset, ultra-sharp Super AMOLED display, and speedy memory should hardly catch anyone by surprise. The setup debuted on Samsung Galaxy S6 and Galaxy S6 edge and is yet to have its performance matched by a rival.

Dropping the memory card slot and the removable battery from the Note5 specs surely raises eyebrows – both hardware features have been a staple for the product family since day one. Samsung appears confident that the bevy of available charging options will keep users happy.

As always, we will kick our Samsung Galaxy Note5 review with an unboxing, followed by an overview of its design and build. Head over to the next page for a closer look at the flagship phablet.

Acer Predator 8 Gaming Tablet Enters Mass Production Rumor

Sales on the tablet market are in decline, be it in the high-end segment or the white-box category. What the future has in store for the tablet niche is unknown, but according to recent rumors, even Apple might reconsider its decision to release the iPad Air 3 this year. In a challenging market such as this, the key to success could be to create products that truly stand out, and apparently Acer is one of the manufacturers to adopt this philosophy.


During Computex 2015 in Taipei, Acer unveiled a new 8-inch tablet dubbed the Predator 8. As the moniker suggests (assuming you’re familiar with the company’s gaming rigs in the PC niche), the Predator 8 has been designed as a gaming-oriented tablet. Back in June, Acer revealed its plans to release the Predator 8 by the end of the year, and needless to say, a new report shows that Acer is now preparing for the slate’s debut. More details after the break.

With so many uncertainties surrounding the tablet market, we were somewhat worried that Acer might rethink its plans to release the Predator 8 by the end of the year. Thankfully, this doesn’t seem to be the case.

According to a new report citing “inside sources”, Acer has already begun the mass production of its “first gaming tablet”, which although unspecified, should be none other than the Predator 8. The source adds that while the Predator 8 isn’t expected to break sales records, it will, however, raise awareness and help in establishing Acer’s position in the gaming scene.


The Predator 8 will run Android, and will make use of a new top-tier CPU in the Atom series, namely the X7-Z8700. This CPU features a 64-bit architecture, 2 MB of cache, and four cores clocked at a base frequency of 1.6 GHz, with the ability to boost at up to 2.4 GHz per core. The slate is also rumored to sport dual force feedback, a quad-speaker setup, and could offer the possibility for users to create multiple video and audio profiles.

As to when the Predator 8 will hit the shelves, sources in the supply chain are of the opinion that the tablet is scheduled for a Q3 or Q4 market release. We’ll keep you posted as more details emerge.

Samsung Tablet rumor 18.4 inch

A few weeks ago we got word that Samsung may be working on a gigantic 18.4-inch tablet thanks to an import listing. Back then, though, its existence was the only thing revealed. Yet now a new rumor comes to confirm it’s real, and even thankfully shares its most important specs.


So, this device will have the model number SM-T670. It will come with a TFT LCD touchscreen with just 1080p resolution, which makes for a measly 119 ppi pixel density. The tablet should also sport the Exynos 7580 SoC with a 1.6 GHz octa-core CPU, 2GB of RAM, 32GB of expandable storage, an 8 MP rear camera, a 2.1 MP front-facing unit, and a 5,700 mAh battery.

It will allegedly run Android 5.1 Lollipop when it launches, and its dimensions are said to be 451.8 x 275.8 x 11.9 mm. There’s currently no telling when we’ll see it in stores, or how much it will cost. Though with that size we assume this will be targeted at some pretty niche use-cases.

Recently Samsung has also been rumored to be working on a 12-inch Windows 10 tablet, so the Korean company seems to be pretty serious about large (and extra large) tablets this year.

Xiaomi Mi Note Pro Unboxing

It’s a rare occurrence for DHL to come knocking at our door asking for our signature for a package, but when that happens, we know that whatever it is traveled a long way to get to us. Well, that’s the case today as we finally got in the super-spec’d Xiaomi Mi Note Pro – a phablet that challenges Samsung’s long standing Note series. Over here in the US, its presence is hardly realized by consumers, but overseas, it’s surely garnering momentum.


Right from the onset, we can certainly tell you that the box for the Xiaomi Mi Note Pro is ginormous. That’s necessary, of course, when it’s accommodating such a gigantic sized phone in the inside. There are no pictures or images of the handset in question anywhere on the box, but rather, there’s only the small “MI” logo on the front – while the rear lays claim to a few of its notable specs.

Diving deeper into the packaging, there’s nothing out of the ordinary from what it seems. It contains the usual suspect of things, so that consists of the documentation, microUSB cable, and wall charger. That’s all! Even though some might find the included stuff lacking, we’re not all to shocked because of it lower cost than some other similarly spec’d smartphones. What’s outstanding is that the phone can be fetched for around $480, which is incredible given its high-end specs and all.

Beyond that, we’ll be putting the Xiaomi Mi Note Pro through the usual barrage of testing we perform on all our phones, so you can expect our in-depth review soon!

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iPad Mini 4 offer split view mode

Equipped with iOS 9, Apple’s next iPad Mini may offer a split-screen feature that will already work on the iPad Air 2.


Demoing iOS 9 at its Worldwide Developers Conference in June, Apple showed off a new split-view feature that would allow you to run two apps at the same time side-by-side. Apple put a damper on the news by saying that only the current iPad Air 2 with the upcoming iOS 9 would offer the feature because of its beefier A8X processor and extra memory. But a resource file related to the next Safari browser suggests that the iPad Mini 4 may also tap into such a feature, according to 9to5Mac.

Apple needs to give people a reason to buy new iPads. Demand for tablets in general has been dropping, and Apple has been caught in the downturn. For the second quarter of 2015 ended June 30, the iPad’s market share fell to 24.5 percent from 27.7 percent in the same quarter last year, research firm International Data Corporation reported in late July. More consumers are opting for bigger-screened smartphones instead of tablets. Others are holding onto their tablets longer, seeing little reason to buy a new one. And many families are sharing a single tablet rather than buying one for each member of the household. Released in October, last year’s iPad Mini 3 offered no major upgrades beyond support for the Touch ID fingerprint sensor. So Apple has to find a new gimmick to sell its next Mini.

The resource file from Apple’s upcoming OS X El Capitan’s Safari 9 browser lists split-view support for the iPad Mini. Further, a website testing tool in El Capitan allows developers to simulate an iPad Mini 3 using Safari in split-view mode (though the Mini 3 won’t support the feature). Based on the resource file and the testing tool, the split-view mode could pop up in the next iPad Mini, 9to5Mac said.

Split-view mode on an iPad is definitely a useful feature as it would allow you to run more than one app at the same time, just as you can on a Windows 10 tablet. The feature is ideal for the iPad 2, which sports a screen size of 9.7 inches diagonally. But running two apps side-by-side on an iPad Mini, which has a screen size of just 7.9 inches, may be less satisfying and more cumbersome. At this point, however, Apple may be testing the feature to see how user-friendly it would be on the Mini. A larger iPad Pro with a 12.9-inch screen has also been rumored to be in development. That big a tablet would definitely take advantage of a split-view mode.

Apple will hold a launch event on Wednesday, September 9, in which it’s expected to unveil its new iPhone lineup. But the company will also reportedly demo its new iPads, according to a report from Buzzfeed. If true, that would mark a change from Apple’s usual strategy of unveiling its latest iPads at a separate event in October.

Nokia N1 now available to order in the UK and Europe

Initially released only in China and Taiwan, the Nokia N1 can now be bought in Europe. The tablet is available to order via, and it looks like customers in the UK can receive it in 48 hours, or – for an extra £5 – in 24 hours. Orders from mainland Europe are also accepted, but only for an extra £15.


The N1 tablet itself costs £219.00 – about $342, or €314. We have to mention that the website is not maintained by Nokia, but buy a UK-based company that seems to be an official reseller of the N1.

Manufactured by Foxconn, the Nokia N1 runs Android Lollipop customized with Nokia’s Z launcher. It’s a pretty thin (6.9 mm) aluminum-made slate that offers plenty of attractive features, including a 7.9-inch display with 1536 x 2048 pixels, a quad-core 2.3 GHz Intel Atom processor, an 8 MP rear camera, 2 GB of RAM, 32 GB of internal memory, and a 5400 mAh battery.

The Nokia N1 could soon be released in India, too. It doesn’t look like the tablet will be available in North America, but we’re going to let you know when we hear more about this.